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Rock
Apr 6, 2008 - 1:12PM
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Vax D Machine
Has anyone tried the vax d machine along with LTBP system?
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Weight Training Paul
Apr 6, 2008 - 3:59PM
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Re: Vax D Machine
Hi mate
I sent the guy in London my MRI on cd and he said my condition wasn't suitable for the Vax D machine
I was surprised they said that because I have a bulge at S1
Dave recommended them to me, so I can imagine they would be pretty good at what they do
Have fun
Paul
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Dave Hutchieson
Apr 6, 2008 - 4:39PM
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Re: Vax D Machine
Hi Rock
I had a herniated disk two years ago.
I literally had to be carried into the treatment area, as my back was so bad.
I used the Vax-D and it reduced the pain in my back by 90%, and completely got rid of my sciatica.
However, with the model I used, you had to put a harness under your shoulders, and it put a fair bit of strain on the shoulders.
There are other more sophisticated models such as the DRX-9000.
Some people get good results, and some don't.
There are reasons for this that I'll cover in a later posting.
All of these machines are good. Just because some people don't get good results, does not mean the machines are bad.
Many people should not be put on these machines in the first place.
That is the fault of the chiropractor/doctor, not the machines themselves.
I was a classic case in point.
After I got my herniated disk resolved, a chiropractor dislocated my pelvis two days later.
Due to the unbelieveable pain I was in, I went to see another chiropractor who used a DRX-9000. [ At that time, I knew nothing at all about the back, and blindly listened to anyone whom I thought could help. Those days are over, I can assure you ].
I did thirty sessions on that machine, and each time felt like my leg was going to be pulled off.
The problem was not with my disks [ as he thought ], but rather with my sacro-iliac joint, for which the machine is not suitable.
I should never have been put on it in the frist instance.
Now, does that mean I think the DRX-9000 is bad ?Absolutely not. It is a good device. I have gone to visit other clinics and have seen before and after MRI's of many, many patients who have had excellent results.
The problem nowadays is that so many chiros and doctors are jumping on the decompression bandwagon. People come in with back pain, and immediately it's "Oh, jump on here for twenty sessions".
The point is that a full physical inspection should be carried out before hand to determine if the back pain/sciatica is really coming from a disk, or whether it is coming from elsewhere [ eg. piriformis, SI joint etc ].
However, there are many things that need to be looked at during treatment of a patient, such as existing muscle tightness, the force vector [ angle and direction of the pull ], the sequence in which disks are worked on etc.
What to do is to ask the chiropractor or doctor what their success rate has been with their actual patients.
If they say exactly 86%, do not believe them, unless they can back it up.
86% tends to be the value which was obtained by the manufacturer in tests.
You want to know what that particular chiropractor has obtained.
Good Luck
Dave
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Josie
Jan 6, 2009 - 3:22PM
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Re: Re: Vax D Machine
I'm glad that Vax-D helped you.
I've seen it help my boyfriend first hand. I can't believe that so many docs are putting people on with no preliminary work ups at all! That is crazy.
When we came in Dr. Rosenthal went over his MRIs and did a full examination as well as gave updates to his medical doctor throughout treatment.
He used a model called the G2 which is according to the people at the American Back Center the latest and greatest. It had many ways that you could be harnessed in so that he didn't have to pull with his shoulders. He would even fall asleep during treatments sometimes!
Did you do physical therapy after VAX-d? My boyfriend did and it helped him to really adjust and not re injure himself.
I don't know about the DRX...but i can't believe they kept you on it when you felt pain like that!
I hope you have found relief now. Best of luck in the future!
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dave hutchieson
Jan 7, 2009 - 3:00PM
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Re: Vax D Machine
Hi Josie
I'm glad your boyfriend is better.
Both the DRX-9000 and the VAX-D are wonderful machines.
When used PROPERLY and UNDER THE RIGHT CIRCUMSTANCES, they can be excellent tools.
So, when should they be used ?
Firstly, if you are in so much pain that you literally cannot move [ as I was ]there is a good chance [ although not all the time ] that you have something pressing against the nerves at the point where they come out of the spine. When you are like this and have tried muscle relaxants etc and cannot physically move to do stretches etc [ not that common ].
How would you know this ? You wouldn't be moving and saying "Ow, this hurts". It would be the worst pain imagineable. Not very scientific, but that's about it.
The thing is that most back pain is not caused by direct pressing of bone etc against the nerves as they come out of the spine. It's caused by other things.
Even if an MRI shows nerves being pressed against, in many cases, that is not the source of the pain.
However, it does happen.
I'd highly recommend people to try it, however, a few words of caution:
1. Make sure you can get your money back after 72 hours or three tries if it does not work. This is the way it works in Florida, may be different elsewhere. That way you can at least try it.
2. Don't listen to anyone who says "Oh, it NEVER works, I know so many people that it failed for". Way too general. True, many people should not have been put on the machine in the first place. That is the fault of the attending chiropractor/doctor, not of the machine and the technology. There are many, many people for whom these systems have worked wonderfully.
Apart from my own case, I have met with some good ethical people who use these machines [ the minority unfortunately ] who have shown me x-rays and MRI's of patients [ with their permission ]showing vast improvements. I also personally know large numbers of people fro whom it has worked.
3. Experience and knowledge. Unfortunately, even if an operator is a good, ethical person, they may not know how to treat you properly. I don't want to go into all the details here, but sometimes other disks have to be treated first before the herniated disk in question. There are only a few who know how to do this properly.
Now, be aware that neither the VAX-D nor the DRX-9000 will help address what CAUSED your back to "go bad" in the first instance. For that, you need to use LTBP, Egoscue, Meilus, CHEK etc.
Physical Therapy will help a little, but is not the main thing that should be done.
Summary:
1. Under the RIGHT circumstances, VAX-D and DRX-9000 can be great.
2. Unless you are absolutely paralyzed with pain and need to carried in to the treatment area, try LTBP etc first.
3. Ask to see before and after MRI's and X-rays.
4. Make sure there is a money back guarantee [ at least for the first three treatments or so ].
5. If it works, you must use a system that will correct your imbalances etc afterwards: LTBP, Meilus, CHEK etc
6. The technology - it can work well when used in the right circumstances, with the right operator and using the right techniques.
These are just some very general guidelines.
If anyone is thinking of using it, drop me an e-mail and I'll give my two cents worth of advice.
